But there are some good parts to it, right? Before it was ever used as the cornerstone of the world’s three largest monotheistic religions, it was, after all, literature.
There are quite a few verses in the Bible that even a complete skeptic can read and accept as something worthwhile. The only problem is that so often most of the religious faithful don’t even know they exist! Let’s set out to discover a few of these, and maybe next time you’re confronted with a Bible-quoting Christian, you can ask them what they think about the Bible verses that say:
Study Hard and Don’t Take Everything on Blind Faith
There are actually three verses I can think of right offhand that clearly say this.
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV)
This one was actually the motto of my alma mater, a seminary that didn’t seem to heed its own favorite quotation. It unfortunately seems to be saying just to study the Bible, but a quick look at the original Greek here shows that “rightly dividing the word of truth” actually means “to be able to divide out words that are true from other words.” Clearly, this passage means that one should look at everything objectively and not just take its outright English meaning to study the Bible and only the Bible.
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” (Acts 17:11 KJV)
This verse is discussing the church at Berea, and how they were “more noble” than their brethren in the Thessalonian church because they were actually taking what they had heard in church home and studying to see if it was true. Of course, it does mention they searched the Scriptures exclusively, but at least it makes a point to say they did so with the express purpose of finding out if they were true, and were applauded for it.
“But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:” (1 Peter 3:15 KJV)
How many of you have run into a religious person of whom you’ve asked a serious question regarding the reason for their faith, and have received an answer back that blind faith doesn’t require a good reason? Tell that person to guess again. This verse clearly states that, not only should they have a reason, but they had better be ready to discuss it with anyone who asks.
Your Pastor is NOT the Final Authority
“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” (2 Peter 1:20 KJV)
This doesn’t seem to say what I’m getting at, but bear with me as I delve once again into the original Greek. In my church growing up, this verse was used for the exact opposite of its true purpose, to get people to listen to their pastor and not try to interpret Scripture on their own. Sure, the verse after this alludes to the divine inspiration of Scripture, but this one at least sets out to protect people from all the whackjobs that come along touting themselves as having divine inspiration too. A better English rendering of it might say “Know this thing to be most important, that no teaching of these writings is for any private party to release.”
That would seem to indicate that what the pastor says the Bible means is a “private interpretation,” and should probably be examined with a grain of salt, as one of our other verses above has suggested.
Stop Being Offended by Everything
Anyone who has ever known someone who is faithful to one of the three mainstream Abrahamic religions knows that, unless their church is one of those more liberal organizations that tries to stress how very tolerant they are, religion makes people offended by just about everything. In my younger days, I used to leave the room at the mildest euphemism, turn away when I saw a woman wearing a dress that went any higher than mid-shin, and come down with the fury of a hurricane if I heard anyone question God or the Bible. That’s where the following verse comes in handy.
“Great peace have they which love thy law; and nothing shall offend them.” (Psalm 119:165 KJV)
…Need I say any more?
You Are God
Monty Python and the Holy Grail (Collector’s Edition Boxed Set), something else that once used to highly offend me, makes a plain case for the importance of this one. God appears out of a cloud, and the gallant knights of Camelot fall to the ground, averting their eyes. “Ohhh, stop that!” God cries. “Every time I try to talk to someone it’s ‘sorry this’ and ‘forgive me that’ and ‘I’m not worthy.’”
If you discount all the wars and bloodshed caused by religion, one important aspect of why it is harmful to humanity still stands firm: it takes away the empowerment of the individual and places it on a non-existent third party. Alcoholics Anonymous can’t help you get over your addiction by empowering you, and instead makes you lay your burden at the feet of a “Higher Power.”
But there are two specific places in the Bible where it says that everyone who hears and understands the words being written are themselves gods. Really? Let’s look and see:
“I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.” (Psalm 82:6 KJV)
No, I’ve heard it argued, that verse is simply talking about people who think they are gods. Just like Solomon’s two-sided soliloquy in the book of Ecclesiastes, which switches back and forth between the righteous Solomon and the sinful Solomon, this verse is from the perspective of sinful men who, like Lucifer, are pridefully trying to take God’s place.
Guess again.
A full reading of the entire Psalm shows God telling the people “Why are you behaving so sinfully? Don’t you know that you are gods?”
Oh.
Well, it must be a different form of the word god. Notice the small ‘g.’ It’s just saying we’re the children of God, and so we all have a little spark of divinity.
Guess again, again. The Hebrew word there is “Elohim,” which, yes, is the word commonly used as a primary name for God. The case of the letter ‘g’ was made diminutive by the translators.
Jesus even quotes this verse in a way that really brings the point to light:
“Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?” (John 10:31-36 KJV)
Let’s recap: the Jewish leaders came to Jesus and decided to stone him. Jesus says “I just healed someone who was born blind, and you want to stone me?” They answer “No, we’re not stoning you for healing someone, we’re stoning you because you said that you were able to heal him because you are the Son of God. That’s blasphemy.”
So, some of you reading this may believe in Jesus and call him the Son of God. You may think Jesus is so much greater than you, and you can never do anything good on your own without the power of Christ. Just remember, when Jesus himself was confronted with people calling him the Son of God, his response was “Why are you so concerned that I said I’m the Son of God? The Bible says you ARE gods!”
Just some food for thought the next time you’re talking to a Christian friend. Remember, you may not believe the Bible, but they do. They won’t accept it when you tell them to use their own brain and think logically, or when you tell them there’s no reason to be offended by something, or when you tell them not to rely on their magical Sky Daddy when they have perfectly good potential themselves, but they’ll have to think about it if you can show it to them out of their own Holy Book.





1Th 5:21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;
Fascinating – but you may want to review Psalm 82. The poem is not directed at humans, but at the assembly of the gods (Psalm 82:1). In Ugaritic literature, this refers to the Canaanite pantheon, the sons of El (Psalm 82:6). The verse was misused by Jesus in an attempt to get around the fairly blatant polytheistic elements.
Interesting.
So the Bible acknowledges clearly that there are gods other than Jehovah, and Jesus misappropriated a verse for his own purposes.
NASB:
Psa 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God takes His stand in His own congregation; He judges in the midst of the rulers.
Strong:
H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: – angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
You didn't seriously think they wouldn't have a way to wiggle out of the implications, did you?
Well, I mean, God himself is quoted as saying he is the "God of gods." God himself would have to be either stupid or insane to say there are no other gods when he clearly mentions them. The Battle between Elijah and the priests of Ba'al, the mention of Goetic spirits in Job and Ecclesiastes, the mention of Moloch, Baal, Dagon, and Lillith (even though her name is misinterpreted as "Screech Owl") all throughout the Old Testament… Most Christians will tell you they are only mentioned because they were false gods worshiped by the Medo-Persians, the Babylonians, and the Canaanite tribes, but the Bible never once says they don't exist. The simple truth is that "Have no other gods before me" does not mean "There are no other gods except me." The names of the angels are even proof of polytheism in the Old Testament… "Gabriel" doesn't mean "Strength of God," it just means "Strength God." Sammael doesn't mean "Venom of God," it means "Venom God," clearly indicating that the angels are types of gods the way there were Greek gods of this and gods of that. Even Jehovah himself is taken from Polytheistic Mesopotamian gods, with "Ea" being the male and "Eve" being the female (put them together in Hebrew and you have "Yahweh," the Holy Name of God forbidden by the ancient Jews to say or even write, and which indicates why the Star of David is clearly a symbol of the Dagger and Chalice, or male and female organs of reproduction). The ancient Hebrews were polytheistic and possibly animistic until they were introduced to the polytheistic gods of Babylon and chose one to rally beneath. That's probably also why their mythology surrounding the Creation, fall of Man, the Great Deluge, and even their patriarchs and Moses are so similar to the Epic of Gilgamesh and other Babylonian epic mythology.
Food for thought: I read an interesting article recently that mentioned how "Abraham" is similar to "Brahma."
BTW, by what definition of "god" is Satan not a god? (Paul calls him "the god of this world" in 2 Cor 4:4.) No, he might not be the equal of Yahweh in Christian mythology, but he would rank rather high in most ancient pantheons. So, what right do Christians have to call themselves monotheists?
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http://mondovista.com/davidkoreshx.html
Don't ask me why the name of the page is "David Koresh," except the article talks about how Christ=Krishna=Koresh. I don't remember anything in the article about the madman from the Branch Davidian cult in Waco. There's a lot in there to chew on, which only compounds with the knowledge that most of the "theology" of the Bible is based on many previous mythologies.
I'll admit I'm a little skeptical of some of the claims in that link. But I just ordered the T. W. Doane book. I'm intrigued.
Great post Gordon. I was wondering if you have a link to the Abraham/Brahma article you mentioned. It sounds very interesting.
Thanks a lot. I too have been amazed at the similarities and outright plagerism between many, many religions. There most often seems to be some basic similarities from a creation standpoint and that there is almost always a superhero figure like hercules, jesus, horus etc. who often is sacrificed but I'm not sure if those are alterations of some original story or if it just some kind of human nature to see the mystical a certain way. I haven't done a lot of study of religions outside of the mid-east/asia regions but there are a lot of similarities between groups that would've and did come into contact with each other over thousands of years as opposed to distant South American/ Native American religions for example which I find very interesting.
Have you seen Zeitgeist (http://www.zeitgeistthefilm.com/)? It lays down the full argument containing all the similarities and then explains why they are all so very similar… It has to do with ancient man's attempts to see what was written in the stars. It's free to watch, and although it covers three topics (religion, 9/11, and the Fed) the section you'll be interested in is the first and the most in-depth.
I'll also admit with Mikespeir that I'm skeptical too (then again, skepticism is what I’m all about) about the claims in the article, but that isn't the only article I've read on the subject, and a colleague of mine who went to the same seminary as I did and also later became a skeptic has done some in-depth study on the matter. His focus is the similarities between ancient religions and the occult, and although he also isn't convinced he says it's definitely worth the investigation.
Thanks, I will check Zeitgeist out.
I've done a lot of on-line reading on the similarities between the religion I grew up with and ultimately rejected and religions from everywhere else, and while none of them have have been obviously the same story with that whole 'The names have been changed to protect the innocent' thing, there certainly are an arseload of similar things that seem to repeat through many religions. Again, I can't always be sure they are rip-offs and re-writes or possibly just human reactions of humankind at those points in history or even simply something we as a species just gravitate toward, but what I do know is that there are far too many similarities for it to be a simple coincidence.
You have to be cautious with the Zeitgeist material a lot of it is misleading and historically not accurate .One only need read a book on Mythology to discount most of it .However they do make some good points as well.As far as bible verses Christians don't use try Isaiah 43: 10-13 That will shut most Christians down about they're Savior. Notice how the sentence ends with " There is no Savior who stands beside me. Period !
That's what worries me. There are lots of coincidences that can appear to be legitimate connections. I remember years ago I read Atlantis, The Antediluvian World by Ignatius Donnelly (for the record, yes, I'm ashamed). I was intrigued when he mentioned the eerie similarity between "Potomac" (the river) and potamos (the Greek word for "river"). Why, what could that possibly mean but that when Atlantis sank some proto-Greek speaking people from there escaped to America while others went to Eastern Europe? It was quite the letdown when I later learned that bona fide linguists insist the similarity is pure coincidence. I've been wary of such things ever since.
Correct me if I'm wrong,but psalm 82:6 is generally considered Yahweh as speaking not to mere Mortal men ,but rather the other members of the Elohim . The one most high would have been EL the father of the gods of the Elohim. He was saying yes you are all gods ,but you will die as men do. It was his grab for power because he wanted all the glory for himself . See wiki ancient gods of the Elohim./Hebrew /Semitic gods It does however show Yahweh was lying in 43.10-13 when he says they're were no gods formed before me ,and I have formed none since. Still a good pick Gordon. It would appear Yahweh is doing a little re-writing /Revisionist history.It also shows how the Hebrews in the cult of Yahweh at Jerusalem were manipulating the ancient stories ;to eliminate the other members of the Elohim pantheon into they're One god Yahweh. City God of Jew town.PS that would not be the only verse JC ever got wrong or miss-quoted he does that a lot ?
Also if you want a better bible verse that says man has become a god Gen 2;23 KJV He (Man) has become like one of us (The Elohim) a god. except we are not immortal because we didn't get too the tree of life. But still like a god. Hmm?
Shakespeare"s Hamlet " What a piece of work is Man how noble in spirit ,How infinite in faculty's , In form and movement how express and admirable . In action how like an angel in apprehension How like a GOD ! " I love this line Best ever delivery from an Actor Patrick Stewart as Capt . Jon luc Picard talking to Q .
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It seems y'all are making a lot of cute assertions,
but the thing you are leaving out is the Resurrection!
You cannot disprove it! The Resurrection is what sets
Christianity apart from EVERY religion on the face of the
earth. See I Cor. 15:19,20
Not really. Many religions espouse the death and resurrection of a man-god.
See http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa.htm
Gordon – I understand that you are tired of religion. So am
I ! I was raised Church of Christ, and came out of it when I was 25.
Religion is man-made but Christ is true! Just because you
became disenchanted with the Baptist church does not mean that
Christianity is false! Check out The Voice of the Martyrs. These people
are putting their lives on the line every day for Christ!!!
Muslims are putting their lives on the line every day for Allah.
Hindus do the same for Vishnu.
Dying for a lie doesn't make it true.
Wow! You all make quite an effort to find fault in the Bible! I've read all the posts almost all of them are taken out of context. A single sentence may be interpreted as you all describe, but taken in context it means something completely different. Just a couple off the top of my head…. God says in the bible there are many gods so Christians are not monotheistic? Incorrect. Read in context, God and Jesus both assert that humans create false gods – treating things like money as god, other people as god, etc. And Satan is the god of the earth – not meaning Satan is another god, just that people unknowingly treat Satan as god by putting things of this world above the one true God. I pray for all of you that as you "research" passages in the Bible that God will shed light and help you understand the true meaning of what you are reading. God Bless you all…
But Gordon didn't mention that at all. Why not address something he commented on, instead of setting up your own little straw man to knock down?
The problem with this article is "hermeneutics." Yes, the Bible is literature. It has to be interpreted as such (although I believe it to be divine as well). To find the sense of the meaning of the listed verses above, find the CONTEXT! What does it mean that the Bereans are "more noble" than the Thessalonians? What did Paul meant when he said that? Even the II Timothy passage, what did Paul meant? How can we know? We read the verses before and the verses after. In fact, we might even need to read the whole book. We cannot just take out a verse divorced from the verses before and after.
As far as "gods" mentioned in the Old Testament. Two things to take note: (1) the Hebrew "Elohim" is not exclusively used for the one true God only and (2) there is such a thing as "figure of speech."
In reality, there are no "other gods"–Scripture is clear on this truth. Yet, man universally have their own "gods" or idols of their hearts. Basically, what God is saying is that He is greater than the idols of man. God is the God of the "gods" who are really not gods. This is a figure of speech. We do this in English. We speak in hypothetical terms to express an idea. Old Testament literature does the same thing too.
Of course, Kerux, someone who didn't subscribe to one of the Abrahamic belief systems would say that our God is nothing more then a "really not god, it's a figure of speech."
and to them it would be an equally valid statement as what you said is to you.
I just happened to run across this when looking for a verse online, go figure. Anyway, each of these verses and stories that you have mentioned I know quite well (Christians do use them, in fact). I do not wish to criticize you, absolutely not. You've done your research, I respect that, it's great! However, you are mistaken on nearly every single one.
I will not sit here and spout off meaningless chatter that no one will read concerning this issue. If you wish to understand what I mean when I say that these verses have been misinterpreted, please email me at lgpresl@gmail.com. Thank you.
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A good writer gives footnotes and references when quoting. It would be nice if you provided the scripture for your biblical references so that people can read what you are referencing in context.
“From Onan spilling his seed so as not to impregnate his sister-in-law to the prophet that sat on a wall ingesting his own waste, from God’s command that the aptly-named Hosea marry a harlot to his command that one woman eat her own baby and one man give his daughter as a burnt sacrifice, from instructions for selling your children into sex slavery”
I can pick apart every one of this guy's ridiculous comments ans TOTALLY out of context arguments which is always what I see from non-believers who really have no clue as to what they are reading. But the one regarding "ye are gods" – this one is so obvious and if he really understood Jesus reply regarding the 82nd Psalm, he would realize how totally off base his arguments are. Anyway……..sons of the Most High.' But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler.” This passage is saying that God has appointed men to positions of authority in which they are considered as gods among the people. They are to remember that, even though they are representing God in this world, they are mortal and must eventually give an account to God for how they used that authority. (This is so obvious, a 1st grader could see this).
Now, let’s look at how Jesus uses this passage. Jesus had just claimed to be the Son of God (John 10:25-30). The unbelieving Jews respond by charging Jesus with blasphemy, since He claimed to be God (verse 33). Jesus then quotes Psalm 82:6, reminding the Jews that the Law refers to mere men—albeit men of authority and prestige—as “gods.” Jesus’ point is this: you charge me with blasphemy based on my use of the title “Son of God”; yet your own Scriptures apply the same term to magistrates in general. If those who hold a divinely appointed office can be considered “gods,” how much more can the One whom God has chosen and sent (verses 34-36)? HELLO MCFLY – WHERE ARE YOU?
when did the new testament start? if you can't answer that question, then I'm afraid you haven't picked up a bible or actually read it.
Oh okay. And you can answer who wrote it and put it together, right?